LIST OF DCLS PROGRAMS OPENING UP ACROSS THE COUNTRY!

Pre-req

1. Must have your BS MT/CLS degree,

2. Post Grad test (GRE)

3. MLT's, Bio and Chem majors CANNOT apply.

List of programs

University of Texas Health Science Center, SA TX (2010)
Medical College of George (2010)
Marshall University
Michigan State University
Saint Louis University
University of Massachusets, Dartmouth
Univ, of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston
Univ of Texas Medical Branch, M.D Anderson Cancer Center.

Great News!

Pharmacy only had 10 pharmD schools 10-15 years ago, now their is 210!!

I hope MT/CLS will stay in the profession and pursue this DCLS and finally be recognized.

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This is awesome, I truly hope more schools open up at least in NYC..I'd definitely jump on this as soon as i get my bachelors in a year. Doctoral degrees always open up doors. I assume it may even come on par with pathologists in the lab now?

Interesting. So is it 4 years for your doctorate? Too bad none in CA.

The DCLS will easily command over 100K. The hospitals will be saving money by hiring a consultant for doctors about different tests to order as well as not paying a second MD over 200K.

As Obama said at the AMA convention in Chicago on 6.15.09. Drs are the ones who are ordering tests and procedures that have no clinical affect on the patient outcome. With the DCLS, this person will be a consultant to the physician about different tests to order based on the diagnosis.

I suggest to go to those universitie's websites and check out the duration of the program and the scope of practice. This is a great step forward for the lab. I see plenty of autonomy coming from this degree.

As people have said and this cements it, all ancillary degrees are increasing standards.

PT = DPT
pharmacy = pharmD
lab = DCLS

If the DCLS takes off like pharmacy, there will be schools opening multiple programs in every state.

John1104 in Orlando, Florida said: Pre-req

1. Must have your BS MT/CLS degree,

2. Post Grad test (GRE)

3. MLT's, Bio and Chem majors CANNOT apply.

List of programs

University of Texas Health Science Center, SA TX (2010)
Medical College of George (2010)
Marshall University
Michigan State University
Saint Louis University
University of Massachusets, Dartmouth
Univ, of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston
Univ of Texas Medical Branch, M.D Anderson Cancer Center.

What does the MT / CLS abbreviations for?

DCLS - What does it stand for?

Rohan in Rego Park, New York said: This is awesome, I truly hope more schools open up at least in NYC..I'd definitely jump on this as soon as i get my bachelors in a year. Doctoral degrees always open up doors. I assume it may even come on par with pathologists in the lab now?

Some fields like Audiology go from a Bachelors and now skip the Masters then go directly into the Drs program.

Does the DCLS require the Bachelors, Masters & Doc. ?
Other?

Read the first comment, you are requered to have a MT/CLS degree to be eligible for the program.

The point is to keep BS MT/CLS in the field rather than going into pharmacy or other fields bc they will be compensated equal if not better than other doctorate programs.

DCLS = doctorate in clinical lab science
DPT = doctorate in physical therapy
Etc

You skip your masters, go straight to the DCLS.
You MUST have your BS MT/CLS degree to be eligible.

Thank you Mike.

I've been in business and specifically the technical industries for many years. I've re-careering with basic science classes to seek out new interest.

Although I did read the 1st posting I don't know the details of this lab/science/medical industry.

Thanks for your clarification and details.

I've looked up some of these schools websites mentioned. However I don't see any DCLS degree being offered atm, is this opening up at 2010 and where was this information obtained from?

I called univ of texas in San antonio, the director said they are trying to finish the details of what the total cirriculim would be and to try back around december, there hope is to start by 2010, they would probably be the first school to open up so they are trying to finalize putting the appropriate classes for the DCLS.

I spoke to the program director at UT San Antonio, her name is Dr. Smith, this was the requirement she emailed to me:

The program will start accepting students in 2011:
1. BS MT/CLS or MS MT/CLS
2. ASCP or NCA certification
3 . GPA >3.0
4 . Number of years working in the hospital setting
5. Post graduate test GRE

For more info contact Dr. Linda Smith at smithla@utscsa.edu
She is the director of the CLS program in UT San Antonio.

A 3 year BS and a 4 year DC or whatever it's called. That's a lot of shortcuts and the current PhD's are really going to respect this? Have you ever asked the Masters MT's if they think it was worth the masters? Does DC equal PhD? Sometimes when something sounds too good to be true.....

A DC is a chiropractor. A pharmD has a 4 year bachelors and 4 years of pharmacy school. A psyD or doctor of psychology is also 4 years of a BS and 4 years of psychology school. An MT is a 4 year degree and with the DCLS, it would also be 4 years. This would make it equivalent to a pharmD or psyD. Would you say that psyDs and pharmDs don't get respect? I don't think so.

Larry, I suppose you wouldn't know too much about the education of your fellow healthcare professionals since all you have is an associates, so your naiveness is understandable.

Larry your insecurities are coming out, you can beware all you want, there is so much interest in the DCLS program that it will soon be like pharmacy. I know my univ michigan state will start in two years and there is already 30 graduates of the CLS program in previous years applying, so the DCLS will be the standard once they start accepting students.

I am sorry that you think your associate degree is your end all be all, maybe in a third world country were they do not have standards, you can use your associate and become a medical doctor.

Lab = DCLS
PT = DPT
Pharmacy = PharmD

Larry = Little Mlt with insecuriies bc standards are coming like everyone has said.

When pharmacy was a BS degree the pharmacist said they thought the pharmd would never catch on, guess what it did, there are pros and cons about every new doctorate that comes out. As you will see once the doctorate of a particular subject comes out, it sticks, they will NEVER go backwards.

So all you can do is accept the DCLS bc like that doctorate degree and others, it's not going anywhere...

Boy larry, you use mutiple alias? And other peoples names? Wow your a nut job, what hospital do you work in Dallas so they can do a eval on you.

So you have larry/joker/spot probably ben now mike, your sad, either way the DCLS program is coming no matter now many alias you have.

Bit paranoid aren't you. Do the search and read the article. It will give another side of the degree and help you make a rational decision. I'm not putting down the degree (unlike you and the associate for whatever reason) I just don't know if it would be worth it for most people.

Clinical Laboratory Science, Summer 2005 by Fritsma, George A "A Professional Doctorate in Clinical Laboratory Science?-Not so Fast"

That article was from 2005. Larry, it is understandable why you are against it. If DCLSs become prevalent, the MLT will become less important and perhaps non existent. An increase in standards for CLSs serves only to threaten MLTs in the lab. If there are alot of DCLSs, you can be sure that they'd probably want CLSs working under them and not MLTs.

I see the DCLS having the authority to start their own labs without the need of a pathologist. I also see them probably taking more of the supervisor and lab manager positions.

I would seriously think about doing it, and hope that there comes into existence a program in southern CA.

You act like children that are afraid someone is going to take a toy away. Can't you converse without putting someone down? This is your forum and I'm out. You make me glad I got out of the lab because I knew too many people like you. Have a great day counting the letters behind your name.

Lol you came into this thread and started insinuating that the DCLS won't get respect and that the MT BS degree is only 3 years. Who was putting who down?

Yea read of Larry's posts, he says he works in the lab, now he says he got out of the lab? He says he was a CLS NCA, now he says he only has his associates...what a nut case.

Back to the the forum discussion, once the implementation of the DCLS you will see quest labs hiring more DCLS as their director, lab directors having to have the DCLS as a mandatory degree to become director. I also see the anatomical side of the lab going to the pathologist, while the clinical side will be run by the DCLS. In the university setting I see DCLS as program directors instead of phDs.

Mike is correct, once the implementation of the professional doctorate, that is all you will see. There is no going backwards. You will never see a BSPHARM anymore...CLS48 is correct DCLS will want to work with CLS's since that is a pre-req for the doctorate program, so I am not sure what the role of the MLT will be anymore..

What do you think about automated pharmacy equipment? Nurses will order drugs on a Blackberry and the drugs are delivered without a pharmacist. The ov

IMPOSSIBLE, there are laws that say a pharmacist must be present at all times if a pharmacy is open. They have to check to drug interactions and alot of times the Dr. writes "dose per pharmacist".

The DCLS opens up so many doors. DCLS = lab director, reference lab director (quest, labcorp, etc.), director of CLS or DCLS programs.

My previous hospital had a PHD as the second pathologist now they will be hiring a DCLS.

DCLS can be associate professors, consultation to the physician about ordering proper tests etc...

Pretty excited and nice to hear of this finally being implemented honestly. Wish a program would open up here in NYC though! But ouch 4 more years of student loans.

Digitalization is also having a significant impact on pharmacists and pharmacy technicians. Pharmacists can now view actual orders that are scanned directly from prescriptions or order sheets from a remote location (without, for example, leaving home). Telepharmacy applications allow one pharmacist to oversee operations at several different hospitals. The pharmacist can review patients’ drug regimens, laboratory data, nursing notes, radiology reports, and other critical outpatient data from a secure, networked computer anywhere. Prescriptions can be transferred from retail outlet to retail outlet to match the fluctuating demand. Four-way, split-screen monitors show images of the actual medication in the vial, what the medication should look like if the prescription is filled correctly, the original prescription, and the label as printed, allowing a pharmacist to “fill a prescription” without being in the same city, county, state, or even country as the actual medicine or customer.

Annie if that is the case for pharmacy then I would think they would need less pharmacy techs. State laws have it where they has to be a pharmacist to very scrips, that is why even mail order pharmacy you have pharmacists verifying scrips. So technology will get rid of the lower degrees, but always keep the higher degrees.

For instance one lab I worked at had a mechanical arm system where the arms spun and aliquated to the apporpriate department and even put it on the instrument and verified the normal results, do you know what that did to the overall employees. That got rid of the MA processing the specimen and the MLT putting the specimen on, they only kept the MTs to oversee that department. So technology will ultimatley get rid of the cheap labor and keep the higher degree staff. With the implementation of the DCLS I see this following the pharmacy route where they will keep the DCLS on per shift and get rid of all the lower degree staff for technology like they did at my facility.

John1104 in Orlando, Florida said: Pre-req

1. Must have your BS MT/CLS degree,

2. Post Grad test (GRE)

3. MLT's, Bio and Chem majors CANNOT apply.

List of programs

University of Texas Health Science Center, SA TX (2010)
Medical College of George (2010)
Marshall University
Michigan State University
Saint Louis University
University of Massachusets, Dartmouth
Univ, of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston
Univ of Texas Medical Branch, M.D Anderson Cancer Center.

I looked up those universities and nothing came up regarding the DCLS program. When exactly are they starting the programs and how did you find out about them?

None of the programs will have their curriculum out until they get approved by their educational board.

Call up the university they will tell you the start date.

John in Roseville, Michigan said: I spoke to the program director at UT San Antonio, her name is Dr. Smith, this was the requirement she emailed to me:

The program will start accepting students in 2011:
1. BS MT/CLS or MS MT/CLS
2. ASCP or NCA certification
3 . GPA >3.0
4 . Number of years working in the hospital setting
5. Post graduate test GRE

For more info contact Dr. Linda Smith at smithla@utscsa.edu
She is the director of the CLS program in UT San Antonio.

yea, i know Dr. smith cos thats where i got my BS in MT. i'll def apply for the DCLS program, i have been an MT now for about 4 months and already thinking of going back to school but i was looking to do something in relation to cls, sort of a career advancement. so this is def my no 1 option come 2011.

I just got in contact with St. Louis University and they're still working on establishing the program there, so it may be a quite a while before it's finalized.