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Jenny in United Kingdom 23 months ago |
Thanks Mike for sending that through to us re. Madison. Jenny |
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Dave in San Diego, California 22 months ago |
Im in San Diego and am going to be taking classes to get my HVAC certificate. I am just coming out of the military where I have mechanical experience, but nothing close to HVAC/R. Is there any way to get a job while I'm getting my certificate? I would raly apprecate any help. |
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jim 21 months ago |
HVAC is a good career but you are never home,you are on call for emergencies,I worked in New York city for 20 years yes you will make 20.00-33.00 hr. but now in north carolina the pay is really bad to many mexicans ruining the field they pay between 13.00-18.00hr not worth it for me not to kill yourself .your knees are the first to go.I did it all service tech for 14 years then duct design,layout and fabrication for 6 years. But after a whle your body cannot keep up you do get burnt out. I am looking to do a career change but not in hvac had enough... |
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Pat in Portland, Texas 21 months ago |
Stephanie in El Cajon, California said: Absolutely! HVAC is a great career to go into. I currently work in San Diego and have helped a company start a HVAC training program because the industry continues to lose their journeymen to retirement. The pay is excellent, in San Diego you can make from 13.00-18.00 in the first year. The sky is the limit after you have a few years of experience. I am interested in this career. Are you a woman and how hard is the job? Pat |
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Reg in Colorado Springs, Colorado 21 months ago |
Well, I'm just kind of frustrated and confused... Here in Colorado Springs, Colorado. There's a trade school called Intellictec College. They offer a assoicate degree HVAC Program in 18 months. Which is good... But, I saw Penn Foster Home Study Programs on online. They offers Diploma HVAC Program and it takes about 6 month to get a certificate. Now, you tell me which way is the best way to go? All I'm trying to do is saves money and time. What's your suggest? Reg |
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john in Houston, Texas 21 months ago |
There is nothing wrong with saving money but one cannot save time when it comes to education. Get the best training and then keep current by taking short seminars over the years. Learn all you can and strive to be the best. Good techs are sought after while average techs are a dime a dozen. If you are not in the field and can afford to, get an entry level position and get hands on while schooling after hours at a junior college. |
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Nick in Jackson Heights, New York 21 months ago |
I am also thinking of going into some HVAC related career but I will be doing a career change from accounting. I am 32, and already have a college degree and live in the Stamford CT area but willing to relocate. How would I go about doing this?? Is it possible at this stage?? |
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John in Houston, Texas 21 months ago |
Might I ask why you want to change careers? Is it to get away from accounting or do you just want HVAC because you think you might like it? How much have you researched the HVAC field and what do you think you like about it? I would imagine with a degree and by now you are doing fairly well salary wise in accounting. You won't start out at the top financially in HVAC, quite the opposite. After training it would take some years of experience to get top wages perhaps. You would undoubtedly have to hang on in accounting while training in HVAC and perhaps still a while while working part time in the field to get experience then make the jump. Unless you just had to be in HVAC I'd say anyone changing fields today should consider any of the medical fields such as RN in two years, Rad Tech, Nuclear Med Tech two years and they all work inside in good environment and have more opportunity than imaginable. My wife changed fields to become an RN and by year two made $73,000. She did it at age 40 and English was her second language. Male nurses are in great need and do very well. Contrary to some peoples belief all male nurses are certainly not efeminate or gay. My brother in law is an RN here in Houston and made over $100,000 last year counting his overtime. |
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MC in La Vernia, Texas 20 months ago |
As a wife of an AC tech, be prepared for long night and early mornings. Be sure to prepare for slow months and prepare your family for the high demand of this industry. The money is good but you make a lot of sacrifices... |
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MS HVAC CHICAGO in Chicago, Illinois 20 months ago |
Dmj in Houston, Texas said: I'am a 35year old male about to make a career change from carpentry to HVAC,I would like to know is HVAC a good career or not? SERIOUS ANSWERS PLEASE,THANK YOU! HVAC IS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE AN EXCELLENT WELL PAYING CAREER. GO FOR COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY AND BENEFITS ARE...BUT...YOU HAVE TO EARN IT...MUST GET DEGREE...MUST BE A NATURAL AT SELLING NEW EQUIPMENT...MUST DEVELOP A 'BUSINESS MIND'...IF YOU GET NATE QUALIFIED, THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER. If it's just too difficult for you to get qualified for commercial/industrial, you can still make it pretty big if you have the selling gift, the business mind and get NATE qualified. With commissions, some of my techs make more than the owner - TRUE! BEST WISHES! |
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MS HVAC CHICAGO in Chicago, Illinois 20 months ago |
Sean in Houston, Texas said: Go to www.sanjac.edu/9185.html and look under Technical Programs. There is a 16 week Certificate Program. HEY JEFF -- NO PAIN, NO GAIN, BUDDY. LIFE'S A MARATHON, NOT A SPRINT. GET SERIOUS AND TRAIN HARD. |
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MS HVAC CHICAGO in Chicago, Illinois 20 months ago |
Jenny in United Kingdom said: John, HEY JENNY. I live in Illinois. WISCONSIN IS ONE OF THE FEW STATES THAT'S ACTUALLY GROWING. Good people, good schools, decent cost of living. I agree with John. Concentrate your efforts in Wisconsin. The prettiest area (but colder & snowier than Madison & Milwaukee) is nearer to Minneapolis, Minnesota (commute from Wisconsin side). And because it's so close to Minneapolis, job selection/pay are quite good. The area gets really rural north of Madision or Milwaukee. If you prefer city dwelling - where the job selection, money & benefits are much better - stay in the Milwaukee area (although the area surrounding Madison is prettier). Of course there's plenty of HVAC jobs (higher level) available in the Chicago Area. You'll like the Chicago area - everybody does. Forget the southern states. Generally speaking there aren't a lot of customers because they can't afford it. Don't go west, pollution, outrageious cost of living, schools are terrible, strange people. Except SEATTLE - EXCELLENT, BEAUTIFUL, TEPID, RAINY - just like home. The state of Washington (not to be confused with Washington D.C. - it is not a state) is reported to have the most highly educated people. If it weren't for the rain, I'd move there myself. If it weren't for the cold & snow of NW Wisconsin, I'd go there. The Chicago area is the best compromise. The only profitable area in the east is New York City - yuck. OWNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS: FORGET IT. You can make more money in a good company especially if you have a business mind & can sell. Companies kill for income generators. Too many excellent techs on their own diminish the overall quality of the industry, hurt the economy, and GOOD CUSTOMERS who deserve good techs are left wanting. BEST WISHES. |
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MS HVAC CHICAGO in Chicago, Illinois 20 months ago |
QUOTE who="John White in Houston, Texas"]Brian, If you have the desire and drive a next good step would be to study the process for opening and running a small business and be an owner. Remember, I don't care how good a tech ytou are running the business is entirely different requiring a different set of skills. However, if you want a feeling of accomplishment and better living think about this idea. John DEAR BRIAN. I disagree with John about going into your own business. If you are a highly skilled tech who has a business mind and can sell, you can make more money in a good company and not have to have the headaches of owning your own business. Companies will kill for excellent money generators. If you love being a tech, you'll hate being an office boy. Because that's what a tech becomes when he chooses to open his own business. Furthermore, too many excellent techs on their own diminish the quality of the industry, hurt the economy, and GOOD CUSTOMERS who deserve good techs are left wanting. If you are an excellent tech/salesman you can absolutely write your own ticket JUST ABOUT anywhere. If you are an excellent tech/salesman and you are having trouble writing your own ticket, either you are delusionary or you need to relocate. No matter what anybody does or where in life they are, one must find the drive, determination and discipline to get what one wants. There's an overabundance of installers - what does that tell you!? Most young HVAC guys don't want to run the marathon of excellence. They don't seem to be interested in getting past 'installer' - and there's not even any SERIOUS money in being an installer. Personally, my problem is finding SKILLED technicians. And when I do find one, he's either unreliable, undisciplined or a lousy salesman. Immigrants are MOTIVATED, but they take too long to train. So if you think you can be happy as an office boy first and a tech second, be prepared to do it completely on your own. BEST WISHES. |
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MS HVAC in Chicago, Illinois 20 months ago |
Nick in Jackson Heights, New York said: I am also thinking of going into some HVAC related career but I will be doing a career change from accounting. I am 32, and already have a college degree and live in the Stamford CT area but willing to relocate. Hi Nick: I've got 30 year olds working for me who just got into the HVAC business. But they've just been kicking around all through their 20s. Not you, though. If you have a strong back and don't mind working like a plow horse, HVAC is your game - even at 32. Problems: you have to go to school nights and weekends for a little while. You have to pass the EPA test. You have to get an entry level position which are a dime a dozen and pays under $15/hr. Serious money comes with technical experience (3 years) and the natural ability to sell - a lot. Accountants aren't known for their selling prowess, so think about that. You have to be very personable, determined, disciplined, self-motivated. A trade like this isn't only about technical skill. If I haven't disuaded you yet, then when you are interviewing for that entry level job, you aren't just going to be an amicable candidate. You have to let the boss know you really mean business. You have to convince him that you are absolutely trainable (most bosses know that by the time a person is 30, they are stuck in their ways and are difficult to train) and that you will give him 500% if he can convice you that he will be an excellent trainer. Many bosses don't think they have to be excellent trainers. But you know which job to fight for when you know which boss will fight for your future. Remember, they don't owe it to you. You owe it to them. Make it clear to a prospective boss that you are willing if he is willing. THEN do everything your boss tells you to do. Do it EXACTLY THE WAY he tells you to do it, immediately. BEST WISHES. |
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leah gill in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 20 months ago |
Dmj in Houston, Texas said: Thank you Cynthia in Chicago Illinois your reply is greatly appreciated.)Now I have another question foryou Cynthia,hopefully you can help me with some good advice] Does HVAC work gets slow in the winter season?(2)If you had to choose a career change between HVAC or Engineer,which one would you choose?Question(3)Can I go higher in HVAC education,farther than a associate's degree,if so how far? PLEASE ANSWER WITH YOUR TRUE AND HONEST OPINION,I APPRECIATE IT.Don in Houston Txhvac-r is a excellent carrer field for any season/weather. not only do you deal with heating and cooling buildings but you can work on restraunt freezers, friers, and on car heaters and coolers. the heating and air world has jobs year round nomatter where you live or what the climate. |
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hvac4u in Dallas, Texas 19 months ago |
You can get an associate in either residential orcommercial, it is called associate in applied sciences , airconditioning and refrigeration technology.Then u can go on and get any engineering from mechanical to electrical . getting my assoc. from eastfield in mesquite tx. |
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Nick in Stamford, Connecticut 19 months ago |
hvac4u in Dallas, Texas said: You can get an associate in either residential orcommercial, it is called associate in applied sciences , airconditioning and refrigeration technology.Then u can go on and get any engineering from mechanical to electrical . getting my assoc. from eastfield in mesquite tx. But what if you ALREADY have a BA & MS degrees?? I was the one who posted as the Accountant who wanted to change to HVAC. I am unemployed for reasons I won't get into here & need to change careers. Seems illogical to go back for an associates and then have to explain these three degrees in a new field. |
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STEFON GRIFF in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
WELL I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE hvac FIELD AS A SERVICE TECH. NOW FOR 20 YEARS AND I CAN TELL YOU SOMETHING THE PAY FOR MY EXPERIENCE IS A DISGRACE.. THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF hvac PEOPLE THIS IS TRUE DUE TO THE FACT THAT MOST YOUNGER FOLKS GO TO COLLEGE, AND ACTUALLY DO NOT WANT TO WORK HARD ANYWAY AT LEAST THE ONES I HAVE SEEN, AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS JUST AS PLAIN, EMPLOYERS DO NOTHING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO THE TRADE.. THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET. LONG HOURS, CRAP PAY, LITTLE IF NO BENIFITS, NOT MENY VACATION DAYS, NO SICK DAYS, USE YOUR VACATION TIME FOR THIS, YOU WILL NOT BE PAID OVERTIME UNTIL YOU REACH 40 HOURS BUT YOU CAN BE SURE WHEN YOU WHERE WORKING ON THE WEEKEND OR AT NIGHT AFTER YOU JUST PUT IN A LONG LONG DAY YOU WILL BE PAID STRIGHT TIME.. BUT YOU CAN BE SURE YOUR EMPLOYER IS CHARGING THE OVERTIME RATE TO THE CUSTOMER.. YOUR JUST NOT GETTING IT. THIS NEVER SAT WELL WITH ME.
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jim 19 months ago |
Amen you said it all, that is the truth I am in the same boat there is no respect for the trade I don't care what people say, plumbers and electricians make alot more than hvac techs. HVAC techs get no respect. In New york city union techs make about 33.an hour and electricians make 42 an hour, and thats union. so you can guess that private companies they think that 20.00 is alot of money. and now you have illegals (mexicans) ruining the bussiness they pay them less and there is no one to stop them. So after 21 years in the field I can say this wrong, I should have stayed in school and became a lawyer lol |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
jim said: Amen you said it all, that is the truth I am in the same boat there is no respect for the trade I don't care what people say, plumbers and electricians make alot more than hvac techs. HVAC techs get no respect. In New york city union techs make about 33.an hour and electricians make 42 an hour, and thats union. so you can guess that private companies they think that 20.00 is alot of money. and now you have illegals (mexicans) ruining the bussiness they pay them less and there is no one to stop them. So after 21 years in the field I can say this wrong, I should have stayed in school and became a lawyer lol i know what you mean, but hell at my age now what am i going to do go back to school for 4 years or even two at night you will get hell if you miss your on call night to go to school, and once your outy in 5 to 8 years who will employ someone at 50 years old |
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jim 19 months ago |
If you are 50 maybe you can get a steady job with sears as a tech and you probably won't kill yourself and there is no on call with them. just stick to your guns as far as salary with sears they will try an b.s. you about salary,so watch them. but at least it is steady work . |
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Nick in Astoria, New York 19 months ago |
hvac4u in Dallas, Texas said: You can get an associate in either residential orcommercial, it is called associate in applied sciences , airconditioning and refrigeration technology.Then u can go on and get any engineering from mechanical to electrical . getting my assoc. from eastfield in mesquite tx. No one is going to hire someone with no experience in the field with just an associates degree unless they are one of these 'coveted' twenty something (aka the gen Y crowd) recent grads. Actually acting professional, dressing decently and wearing clothes that fit properly and going that extra mile don't mean much these days anyway. Getting a job is all about BS ing your way thru anyway. |
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Nick in Astoria, New York 19 months ago |
stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: i know what you mean, but hell at my age now what am i going to do go back to school for 4 years or even two at night you will get hell if you miss your on call night to go to school, and once your outy in 5 to 8 years who will employ someone at 50 years old No one will without experience. The 'schools' sell empty promises and false hopes. They have no incentive about helping you get a job only taking your money and selling you on false hope. Don't waste your money, because you will be passed over in favor of some 19 year old with no experience. |
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remajohn in Houston, Texas 19 months ago |
yes, you may BS your way into a job but keeping it and progressing upwards takes knowledge and production. If you don't like HVAC try plumbing. These boys make money if they work. My 34 year old son in Huntsville, Al works for Roto Rooter as a master plumber and made over $128.000 year before last. What I hear these older fellas saying is don't waste your life on something if it isn't working. Investigating it thoroughly before one starts can illiminate a lot of disappointment later. I know, I wasted 30 years on a wife that never grew up. Have courage and get out of the boat before it sinks. |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
did plumbing it tyo me was like HVAC except wet but as for the pay i think what actually bothers me is two points one i work nights and weekends and holidays but until i hit the magical 40 hours i am on straight time i am thinking i am missing time with my family and friends to drive around in the middle of the night for straight time but when i bill the customer you can bet your life company polocy is time and a half i just am not getting it and the other i have been a service tech for 20 years and my pay is 3 to 4 dollers more then someone right out of school that is not right either and as for the boat well it sank a long time ago |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
i hear that i even see guy being let go in the hvac industry with to much experience because the employer will have to pay them to much so they lay them off never bring them back and bring on people out of school for a few dollers less. rock and a hard place |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
i understand the education part i have an associates in HVACR and a BA degree in management but to return to school while your in the trade of HVAC is impossable because you work in the day and then when you have the ability to attend is in th evening and if your on call that night your screwed you boss doesn't want to hear you have school tonight, he will more than likely say if you cannot do it i will get someone else who will i have herd it and seen this happen over the past 20 years..so you end up missing classes assignments and failing out due to lack of attendence because of your work schedual.
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
the sears techs in may area are bailing left and right the service manager is a woman with no experience and roughly 50% of their tech here are part-time |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
all i would like to tell folks thinking about entering the hvace field is THINK THINK THINK about it long and hard. but if you have the burning desire to do it then apply to the unions and let them train you. the money is better, and bennies as well. NEVER.! REPEAT NEVER WORK FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY after 20 years i can tell you the only thing that changes about them is the color of the van your driving and the name on the shirt. other than thatm, it is all the same. bad pay, bad hours, no or low benifits. no sick day. bad vacation time,no retirement plans,
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remajohn in Houston, Texas 19 months ago |
Fella's, some of you sound like me 30 years ago, so sour and negative. It looks like a pity party for one's self and it is. I learned the hard way that pity goes no where and no one else cares so you end up pitiful and alone often. America is the greatest country in the world. Immigrants, legal or illegal prove it every day. They come with nothing and soon own businesses.Fear is a terrible thing fellas but if you don't let it overtake you it can be good at keeping you on your toes as you move forward. There are more opportunities in America than Carter has little liver pills and the only thing that usually stops people from taking advantage of them is fear, laziness or not knowing how to research for opportunities. It's never too late. Colonial Sanders of KFC started at age 68 from door to door. Get help if you need to know how to research on line. Good Luck and God Bless! Life is worth the Living. |
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jim 19 months ago |
unfortunately the tech managers from sears have to a degree of some sort to be a manager,witch is bad your best managers are ex technicians. the sonner sears figures that out the better they will be. I geuss that is why sears is going down hill,to much book knowledge and no practical sense. |
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jim 19 months ago |
I had taken a job in new jersey that I only lasted 2 months I was hired as a manager of the install department. I have 20 years in all aspects of the trade from service to duct design and layouts even blue prints,but some of these owners if they find out that you know more than them they don't like you any more and get rid of you they like to think that they know everthing. so I can't work for a little mom and pop co. yu have to work for a big co. spending most of my carreer in new york city you learn alot now living in north carolina there is no such thing as union and to many mexicans ruining the trade . |
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Nick in Jackson Heights, New York 19 months ago |
remajohn in Houston, Texas said: Fella's, some of you sound like me 30 years ago, so sour and negative. It looks like a pity party for one's self and it is. I learned the hard way that pity goes no where and no one else cares so you end up pitiful and alone often. America is the greatest country in the world. Immigrants, legal or illegal prove it every day. They come with nothing and soon own businesses.Fear is a terrible thing fellas but if you don't let it overtake you it can be good at keeping you on your toes as you move forward. Not these days. You can be a total nitwit, but as long as you are under 30, dress nice, look like you belong on reality TV and can talk the talk (BS) you will get hired. Actual qualifications, hard work, & skill has gone out the window in place of this 'survivor' reality TV show behavior in the workplace. And age discrimination runs rampant. Changing careers may look nice in theory but nearly impossible if you are older than 30 an already have a degree in something else. |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
well i think sears is on the same track as almost every company you need a college degree to be in a management position, i guess they feel actually knowing the type of company you manage is not inportent i have management degree but was never once offered a position in management but for the mom and pop companies you have no chance of advancement unless you marry into the family,
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Bob in Mount Laurel, New Jersey 19 months ago |
Do you want to be treated with respect and dignity? Go union! |
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jim 19 months ago |
sorry pal there are no unions in north carolina |
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Bob in Cherry Hill, New Jersey 19 months ago |
Yes there is bud, the UA is nationwide, it would take a little research on your part. |
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Bob in Cherry Hill, New Jersey 19 months ago |
I stand corrected, the closest Local to you is Local 421 in Charleston South Carolina. I have worked Union for over 23 years and I would not work any other way. I am glad I had the opportunity. |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
i have tried to "Get over the fence" into the union for the past 8 years but no luck around here they only seem to take family members one guy told me on one job site it was like a family reunion here the local is 449 they do all of the union construction and also work all of the hospitals and universities which by the way are also family affairs. |
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Bob in Cherry Hill, New Jersey 19 months ago |
Go to the United Association Website and fill in the information under UA careers, it is worth a shot. |
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john in Berwyn, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
15 years of new construction my 41 yr old body is worn out, I cant take much more of this hvac trade and looking for a new opportunity out of this god forsaken field. It was good money while it lasted on piece work 70k better then most of this shops hourly employees that range between 15-26pr hr. Oh one more thing, dont expect recognition for your hard work it wont happen from within your company but the other fields that you work with every day. Im done getting my butt kicked. |
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jim 19 months ago |
hey bob whats with the attitude I lived in new york all my life and was union, the unions down south are no good not like in the north so don't compare, it seems that you are very narrow minded about unions, I made more money in the union than you as a project manager made about 150,000 a year. But the south is very differant it is a right to work state. but I still would never move back to new york the weather is to good hear. |
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stefon in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 19 months ago |
i hear that.. i am trying to get out of it as well but it is not so easy going to school at night and working full time you miss alot of classes due to your work schedual and your employer doesn't care if you miss your classes or if you fail either, HVAC is like the mafia.once in never out. i am 44 years old and actually i have no idea if anyone will take me on anyway when i finish school in 3 years but i have to try something.
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john ottman in Ashaway, Rhode Island 19 months ago |
stacey meister in Oatman, Arizona said: I live in Bullhead City Arizona.I would like to relocate.Any body know of someone who needs help?I have 26yrs of sheetmetal mechanic and hvac installer and about a year and a half of service work.Iam 56years old so im looking for opportunities.Thank-you. i may have something for you
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john ottman in Ashaway, Rhode Island 19 months ago |
Jenny in United Kingdom said: We are in the UK. My husband has 30+ yrs experience in the hvacr business mostly commercial and industrial A/C, chillers and gas and oil combustion too. We really want to relocate to the States through his work. We love Florida but is it "overdone" with technicians and should we look at other states. Any advise would be gratefully received. Thanks!! i may have something for you
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remajohn in Houston, Texas 19 months ago |
Do a job check on-line for Houston. There is plenty work here. Also New Orleans with the big rebuild. |
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john ottman in Ashaway, Rhode Island 19 months ago |
Need help for estimating
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john ottman in Ashaway, Rhode Island 19 months ago |
sorry
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Stacie in Fall River, Massachusetts 18 months ago |
Dmj in Houston, Texas said: I'am a 35year old male about to make a career change from carpentry to HVAC,I would like to know is HVAC a good career or not? SERIOUS ANSWERS PLEASE,THANK YOU! My Husband was in the same position six years ago that you are now. He was a carpenter who switched careers to be an HVAC TECH. Which is great he loves his job, But the only thing is that there is no work in my area during certain parts of the year. During the winter he is usually laid off from January through May. Other then no stability the money is great he went from making $12.00 per hour to $27.00 after being licensed. Good Luck! |
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DonnyTomball in Tyler, Texas 17 months ago |
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