Practicing Hygiene without a LICENSE?!?!!! |
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layla in Burnsville, Minnesota 6 months ago |
Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! |
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Ms_rdh2009 in Meridian, Mississippi 6 months ago |
I dont know the answer to your question but i hope you dont mind answering a few of mine. Did you take it on the 5th-9th or last weekend? How long did it take to get your results? Were yo able to see the results online in 2 weeks? I'm so nervous....please respond. |
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liz in San Francisco, California 6 months ago |
layla in Burnsville, Minnesota said: Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! NO YOU CAN NOT!!!!! I graduated last year and got my license. But the one thing the school made sure to tell us was that if you didn't have your license you can't practice. If the dental board finds out that you practiced without a license, they will ban you from EVER getting one!!! So just wait, pass your test, get your license and then practice hygiene!! |
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sally in Southfield, Michigan 6 months ago |
layla in Burnsville, Minnesota said: Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! To my knowledge that is the whole point of attending college and passing the national and local exams. To find out for sure contact the state in which you live in Board of Dentistry. |
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lauren in Richmond, Virginia 6 months ago |
Did you not take an ethics course? Practicing dental hygiene without a license is malpractice and is against the Code of Ethics. So make sure you have a license before practicing in any setting! |
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Joyce in Fall River, Massachusetts 6 months ago |
To Layla: I think that the only state where you can practice dental hygiene without a license is Alabama. I'm not %100 sure though. |
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ESP in Vancouver, Washington 6 months ago |
layla in Burnsville, Minnesota said: Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! Can you spell the word "FELONY"?
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wannaknow in Vancouver, British Columbia 6 months ago |
No, madam! Canada is not mexico.For sure, in tijuana you can work without a licence.That's the way things work there. |
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layla in Burnsville, Minnesota 6 months ago |
I was just asking in terms of practicing in a FEDERAL setting, I had read somewhere on Yahoo answers on a reply to a post written 2 years ago, it clearly said that in Arizona, you can practice without a license in a federal setting but needing to be a graduate of a hygiene school. To find it, you can go to yahoo answers and type in hygiene boards. The question title is What would happen if I do the Dental Hygiene program and fail the state test? I appealed my CRDTS score and if it doesn't work out, I am going to take CRDTS again. Maybe I just put a horrible title for this thread, but I have NO intentions of EVER doing something illegal. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam and just nationals/jurisprudence? Nationals I have taken and passed so it's just my clinicals that are an issue. |
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suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 6 months ago |
The answer to your question is NO. The first thing you will see in any federal position bid is to send a copy of your current license to even be considered. I cannot believe you wouldn't know that. I graduated in 1995 and we had so much ethics crammed down our throats even a new grad would know better than to even think such a thing! If you ever find a doctor that will let you practice without a license, RUN!! |
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MT in Vancouver, Washington 5 months ago |
My gosh people, get off your soap boxes. She is asking if there are federal jobs that allow you to work without passing a regional exam. There are states that allow you to practice under a temp license for a limited period of time without passing a regional exam. There are also federal positions that do not fall under each states provisions. Before you go questioning someones ethics, maybe you should first step down from your box, get a grip, and then use your CRITICAL THINING on exactly what she may be asking that you are just not understanding. Do your homework before you respond and make yourself look like an ass. |
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Suzanne 5 months ago |
Hello, CRITICAL THINING. There are no federal jobs that will let you practice dental hygiene without being licensed. Period. Many federal positions will accept another state's license, but it must be current and in good standing. I am not aware of any state that you can sit for a state exam without first passing a regional exam. If you could, why in the world would anybody take an 8 hour 2 day test that isn't required? I just inquired about NM, and no you cannot apply to test for the state license without passing the WREB first. Many states don't have reciprocity either. Who would even ask such a question? Have you noticed almost all jobs state "must be a licensed hygienist" to apply? Come on!!! |
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Dental Hygiene in Kamloops, British Columbia 5 months ago |
As far as I know there are many Provinces and States that allow you to obtain a license by passing the written provincial or national exam without having to take a clinical exam, as long as the dental hygiene program you attended is accredited. You do however have to pass the written exam. As far as a Federal job, I would assume that even if you we're allowed to practice without having the license, the competition for these jobs would be so high that they would only hire a licensed, registered hygienist. My advise; take the exam over, if it was that close, you won't have an issue the second time round. |
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dental hygiene in Alpharetta, Georgia 5 months ago |
Wow, I am suprised at the attitudes here! Especially the cocky attitudes of those who are wrong. First, you can practice in the state of Alabama without a lisense. Perfectly legal and ethical there. Second, I do know the military has different requirements for its civilian employee dental hygienists (who are very well paid by the way). I know a couple of hygienists that are civilian employees of the army but are not liscenced to work as hygienists in civilian private practice. I am not sure what all that entails to do. |
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Suzanne 5 months ago |
Well, I'm going to defend myself. I was offered and accepted a position as a civilian for the army. Before any background checks, clearances, physical, urine test, and fingerprints, I had to send a copy of my Indiana license for verification. There are several army and Air Force bids currently on USAjobs which is the federal gov't site, and for every one of them you have to have a valid and unrestricted license in a territory of the United States.
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rhL in Atlanta, Georgia 5 months ago |
MT in Vancouver, Washington said: My gosh people, get off your soap boxes. She is asking if there are federal jobs that allow you to work without passing a regional exam. There are states that allow you to practice under a temp license for a limited period of time without passing a regional exam. There are also federal positions that do not fall under each states provisions. GOOD ANSWER.I think all of them passed their state exam and they think everyone else is idiot. |
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Suzanne 5 months ago |
HA! I don't understand why people get so offended when they ask a question and then don't like the answer. |
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myniche in Vancouver, British Columbia 5 months ago |
HA! I don't understand why people get so offended when they ask a question and then don't like the answer. HOW COME YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND? DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IN THIS COUNTRY YOU HAVE TO BE PHONY?...THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY THINGS THAT DON'T HURT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS?...MOST OF HUMANS ARE VERY SENSITIVE...SENSITIVE TO THE TRUTH!!!...MY ADVICE: TELL THE TRUTH, NO MATTER WHAT. BE AUTHENTIC!!! |
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dh in Ottawa, Ontario 5 months ago |
i think that if you pass your program from school, but not the board...apparently you can practice in the yukon because there is a great need for dh's there! you'll need to look into it more! |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
myniche in Vancouver, British Columbia said: HA! I don't understand why people get so offended when they ask a question and then don't like the answer. I like your attitude! |
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Dr. Love in Indianapolis, Indiana 5 months ago |
I'd like to be able to fill cavities, do cleanings, and remove teeth without a license. If I could get away with it, I would. Dental rates are way too f'ing high, especially without insurance. F*** all the stupid laws. The government has their hands in way too much. The poor deserve care too. Without making dentists rich in the process. |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
Amen. |
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Natasha R.D.H. in Norman, Oklahoma 5 months ago |
layla in Burnsville, Minnesota said: Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! Absolutely not. It could be a felony offense to practice without a license...that's the law. Most junior colleges offer a 2 yr program difficult to get into but its worth it! |
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c.p. in Birmingham, Alabama 5 months ago |
Natasha R.D.H. in Norman, Oklahoma said: Absolutely not. It could be a felony offense to practice without a license...that's the law. Most junior colleges offer a 2 yr program difficult to get into but its worth it! WHO ON EARTH TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN PRACTICE DENTAL HYGIENE IN ALABAMA WITHOUT A LICENSE? I'VE BEEN AN ALABAMA HYGIENIST FOR 23 YEARS AND MOST DEFINITELY HAD TO GRADUATE FROM DENTAL HYGIENE SCHOOL AND PASS THE ACADEMIC AND CLINICAL STATE BOARD EXAMS BEFORE I COULD PRACTICE! I ALSO HAD TO HAVE 2 YEARS OF DENTAL ASSISTING EXPERIENCE BEFORE I COULD ATTEND THE ALABAMA HYGIENE SCHOOL! |
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Sarah 5 months ago |
Okay people, be nice. I'm an Oral Health Educator and I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY UNDER THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T HAVE MY LICENSE!! I work under contract status and I teach head start children how to brush their teeth, how long, etc. I failed NERB and I'm retaking it. I plan on keeping my job with the head start. As long as I don't do child prophies I am fine. My job required me to have a Bachelor's in Dental Hygiene and I did. I did all the federal government background checks and I was hired. |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
Okay, you are an oral health educator and you don't have a license. You don't practice as a hygienist and you don't do prophies. My point exactly. You could if you had a license, right? I still stand by my statement. You have to have a valid and unrestricted license to legally practice as a hygienist. |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
Thank-you! Another hygienist willing to speak the truth!! |
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Sarah 5 months ago |
Hold on Sassy Suzanne, In accordance with the DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES I am considered a dental hygienist. Were you not taught that hygeinist can also serve as public healthcare educators? What are you a robotic hygienist who is only taught to do PROPHIES?? Just because my foot isn't on a rheostat doesn't mean I'm not a hygienist!! Sadly, I probably make more than you while you sit looking on this website to make a few "princess" points by your daily sermons. If you have any further arguments, take it up with the US DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. Afterall, they are the ones to give me the government clearance and I'm an oral/public healthcare educator with a BSDH! |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
Well, I spoke to Dr. Tim Lozon DDS in Sept 08. He's on the Indian Health Service job bids as the poc, which is part of Health and Human Services. When you send your application packet for an advertised position for a HYGIENIST, you have to send verification of your license. You may well be "considered" a hygienist with a BSDH but you are not a licensed hygienist! There is a huge difference!!
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Sarah 5 months ago |
Well Suzanne kudos for you knowing someone in IHS. I am Native American, not part, not 1/16, not 1/4 but full Native American Blood. Maybe IHS gives precidence to Indian preference otherwise they wouldn't state it on their application. Dropping names doesn't prove anything to me. People like you get riled up just because your job is at risk for someone like me. I am a dental hygienist whether you like it or not. Yes, maybe I don't have my license yet, but I at least know that I am a public health educator and I was hired by the Department of Health and Human Services and I got my government clearance with INDIAN PREFERENCE!! One DDs doesn't provide service to one whole Indian nation. If Dr. Lozon is with IHS, he should understand that Native American laws are different. Every Indian Nation has their own set of laws and rules, believe me I know. Look up Native American 638 and you will understand what I am talking about. I work for a clinic that is 638, hired as a DENTAL HYGIENIST with the only requirement having a BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE IN DENTAL HYGIENE. I work for IHS!! I also undestand that a license isn't required because I'm not doing perio therapy, x-rays,etc. I work for one of the most underserved Indian reservations in the US and you poking fun that I'm not able to do what your prejudments of what a Dental Hygienist really is? This reservations is one of the most underserved areas in the US and people like you probably would judge a person like me (without a licence but with a BSDH) is trying to do the right thing by teaching chidren ages 3-5 how to take care of their teeth? You might try to make me feel bad, I have dealt with racism all my life. Nothing you can say will ever change the way I educate children ages 3-5 how to take care of their teeth. I wish you the best of luck and hopefully you are able to keep a job with your judgemental attitude. In my language, you are "dee'gis." |
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Sarah 5 months ago |
Suzanne,
Good luck! |
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Michael in Santa Fe, NM 5 months ago |
I did my residency at an indian reservation just north of Santa Fe and about 15 miles south of Santa Fe and I found that indian laws are different. I didn't know much about clinics 638 until I worked for one. There at the pueblo they have their own set of rules and they even have their own governor and leuitenant governor. I have a pal who practices indian law and I know the tribes work very differently than the rest of us. I guess that's why it's called the self determination law or act. I know they can hire people within their own governmental system, but it's still under the bureau of indian affairs which is under the dept. of health and human services? I'm not sure. I do know that governmental systems on indian land are much different. I also understand that it's hard to get healthcare workers out to underserved areas like the pueblos I worked for. Sarah, keep doing what you are doing with those children. From working with the area pueblos I hear the caries rate is immaculate. I cannot stress enough to you that those children on the reservation do need someone like you to educate and promote oral healthcare! Good job! You will pass NERB. Good luck to you! |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 5 months ago |
Sarah, You are missing the point. This thread is about practicing without a license, not about your being Indian or the difference of tribal laws. I am totally happy for your success and upon landing your job through your ethnicity. I am not racist, I am Caucasion, my children are bi-racial. You start screaming racism and I didn't know anything about you!
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Sarah in Albuquerque, New Mexico 5 months ago |
Suzanne,
If Dr. Lozon is Native American than he of all people should understand Native Laws!! I think you are a sour person just pissed off that someone like me is easily taking a job you don't have AND I DON'T HAVE MY LICENSE AND I PROBABLY MAKE MORE THAN YOU! So what is wrong with teaching Native American Head Start children about oral health without a license? I'm not all up in their mouths and YES I do have a puppet to do show and tell. I don't understand what's wrong with that! Why don't you go and continue typing away your little daily sermons and be the unhappy person you are perceived to be. |
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Sarah in Albuquerque, New Mexico 5 months ago |
Thank you Michael! I know which reservations you might be talking about!! |
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nojobs in Oakville, Ontario 5 months ago |
You two. Get some sun! |
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Susann in Newark, Ohio 5 months ago |
I understand what suzanne is trying to say here, but I've also got to say...
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dental hygienist in Phoenix, Arizona 5 months ago |
layla in Burnsville, Minnesota said: Is there any way I can practice Dental Hygiene without a clinical examination? I took CRDTS recently and barely didn't pass. Does anybody know if any states don't require a clinical exam? Can you really practice DH without a LICENSE in a federal setting? Please let me know!! Okay, I don't know why you guys are fighting over a simple question but, NO Layla, if you go to the ADHA website, all states have their own clinical and national exams (usually a WREB or NREB). If you're saying you barely didn't pass the clinical, sorry, but I would want you working on my patients nor myself, (would you want me to practice on you without any experience or credentials?). Passing these exams are there for a reason. You cannot practice (meaning physically removing calculus or administering anesthetics) without a license but you can work in a federal setting as a public health educator. It is similar to a dental hygienist, however they are not to preform prophylaxis procedures. As a public health educator, you may educate and maybe apply fluoride varnish to primary and permanent teeth of the under privileged areas in certain states. For those that are arguing about this topic, please be professional about it. You guys are taking it over the edge and making our profession look extremely snobby. As for Layla, I really think you should try again at the clinical, I know it's expensive but it's well worth it in the end. I had a few friends that didn't pass when I was in school but they retook it and did fine!! And instead of posting on this thread, you should really check out the ADHA website which will have all your answers to your questions. However, I think you may need to be a member of the ADHA. But if that fails, just go to your states' dental board website and you should find the answers there. The Arizona website is, www.azdentalboard.us. Hope that helps! |
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dental hygienist in Phoenix, Arizona 5 months ago |
OPPS! I just realize Layla that you said you barely didn't pass your classes.. I'm sorry about that. But you should take the clinical and written exams anyways because you might do better than you think. You won't know until you try!! =) |
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dental hygienist in Phoenix, Arizona 5 months ago |
IM SORRY LAYLA!! I just realize that CRDTS is the third testing agency, NREB and WREB being the other two. Haha! For some reason I thought CRDTS was short for credits! So I'll stick to my first reply! |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 4 months ago |
dental hygienist in Phoenix, Arizona said: Okay, I don't know why you guys are fighting over a simple question but, NO Layla, if you go to the ADHA website, all states have their own clinical and national exams (usually a WREB or NREB). If you're saying you barely didn't pass the clinical, sorry, but I would want you working on my patients nor myself, (would you want me to practice on you without any experience or credentials?). Passing these exams are there for a reason. I wasn't trying to be snobby or belittle our profession. I appreciate you pointing out the difference between practicing as a licensed hygienist and an oral health educator. We have two distinct and different scopes of practice. Both are respectable and serve our patients. |
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 4 months ago |
Sarah in Albuquerque, New Mexico said: Suzanne, Well here I go with another bark. LOL
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Maria in Fayetteville, North Carolina 4 months ago |
Hi, Im not saying its true but I just graduated hygiene school in May and for the past 2 years all we heard from our instructors is that Alabama is the only place you can practice without a license. c.p. in Birmingham, Alabama said: WHO ON EARTH TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN PRACTICE DENTAL HYGIENE IN ALABAMA WITHOUT A LICENSE? I'VE BEEN AN ALABAMA HYGIENIST FOR 23 YEARS AND MOST DEFINITELY HAD TO GRADUATE FROM DENTAL HYGIENE SCHOOL AND PASS THE ACADEMIC AND CLINICAL STATE BOARD EXAMS BEFORE I COULD PRACTICE! I ALSO HAD TO HAVE 2 YEARS OF DENTAL ASSISTING EXPERIENCE BEFORE I COULD ATTEND THE ALABAMA HYGIENE SCHOOL! |
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tim T. in Göteborg, Sweden 4 months ago |
Dental hygienists CANNOT work as public health educators UNLESS it is specific to the field of teaching oral hygeine. All other jobs that are NOT orally related (public health educator, diabetes educator, HIV counselor, etc. REQUIRE a bachellor degree or higher in health education, etc. -Tim T., RCP, RRT, AS, BS, MPH, Ph.D.
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Natalie in Beverly, Massachusetts 4 months ago |
Sarah said: Okay people, be nice. I'm an Oral Health Educator and I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY UNDER THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T HAVE MY LICENSE!! I work under contract status and I teach head start children how to brush their teeth, how long, etc. I failed NERB and I'm retaking it. I plan on keeping my job with the head start. As long as I don't do child prophies I am fine. My job required me to have a Bachelor's in Dental Hygiene and I did. I did all the federal government background checks and I was hired. I reported one dentist practing illegal dental hygiene not license to The Massachusetts Board of Dentistry, his name is Moataz Shaban
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Suzanne in Terre Haute, Indiana 4 months ago |
I sent a letter to Health And Human Services and asked how they are hiring "hygienists" without licenses? I told them about this site and the comments and the only one in the dark is me. Funny, they have my email as I've applied for open positions. They responded by telling me if you are hired to practice as a hygienist performing duties such as scaling, taking films, and perio tx you must have a license. Oral health educators are not using instruments or doing anything inside the patients mouth. Therefore they are not required to be licensed, however, they do need a bachelor's degree in dental hygiene. She also says that they are not hired as hygienists either. So I guess I got my answer to that one. |
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dawn in Spokane, Washington 4 months ago |
Where did our ‘ladies’ dignity go? Where is the compassion for others? Are we not all working toward the same goal…oral health? ---in any capacity that we can serve in, regardless of what we are called. Must we be so unkind, snappish, quick to judge, and caddish? Please, think of the long term effects you can have on a person before you say, write or do unkind things. |
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hyg sucks in Richmond, Virginia 3 months ago |
I have a license in NY, GA. VA. I know for a fact you do need a license to practice. Not going to comment on other states. The sad thing is not all DDS check your license. I worked at several places that never checked but I always volunteered my license. I knew a girl from my school who went to work when she didn't pass her Nationals. My professor got wind of it and told the DDS he should check her license. Some hyg try to work without one. Who wants someone working on them with no license. Look at this MJ thing with that Dr in Cali. This is stuff has been going on for years. Maybe this is a wake-up call for America to check licenses. |
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Natalie in Beverly, Massachusetts 3 months ago |
The worst part of reporting to the BORID is them not only covering
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Natalie in Beverly, Massachusetts 3 months ago |
You are absolutly correct, we "ladies and gentlemen" (FYI,Male dental hygienist do exist in Massachusetts) are working toward the same goal and at the same capacity, "as long as you have a license and permits" |
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