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newman9com in Tempe, Arizona 9 months ago |
Hi, are there any reasonable MLM companies out there that someone can refer me too? |
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Crandal Buzzell in Minneapolis, Minnesota 8 months ago |
I was about to joim NAA this week. I felt there was something that wasn,t adding Up. I do have a Minnesota Ins. Lisince and I have been a real estate broker for several years. Can someone please tell me of a great company I can work for as an agent selling mortgage protection Ins. Or any advice at all. If you can answer me here or on my e/mail at:
Thanks so much !!!!! |
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Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia 7 months ago |
There are no cost and low cost methods for starting your own business online. I mentor people who are interested in affiliate and network marketing as well as mlm using attraction marketing. For those starting their own business how to find their own niche. I mentor for free people who have a take action attitude and have lots energy. I do not have any get rich quick ideas that is a dangerous and costly mindset. If interested contact me at lydiabrown22@comcast.net I wish you much success with whatever you do. |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 7 months ago |
newman9com in Tempe, Arizona said: Hi, are there any reasonable MLM companies out there that someone can refer me too? Yes I have a great business going with a 25 year old wellness company. The promotions are great and lots of ways to make extra money. If interested in looking further with my company email me at denntc@gmail.com |
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Sean in Portland, Oregon 7 months ago |
Hi Newman
If you are interested feel free to contact me at seanmayer68@gmail.com Good luck :-)
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Just another number in Chicagoland, Indiana 6 months ago |
Four - count them - FOUR identical posts! At least you put this one where it belongs... |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Just another number in Chicagoland, Indiana said: Four - count them - FOUR identical posts! At least you put this one where it belongs... Heh heh, it's funny that she hasn't responded at all to our posts. She must be busy cutting and pasting her little scam everywhere . . . |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
missystella8 in Cary, North Carolina said: Hi everyone, What a joke. This compnay is tied to Melalueca which is one of the biggest scams around. If you get involved with this (or any other) MLM, you are just asking for trouble. Basically, you will lose all your money!! |
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Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia 6 months ago |
I don't know the reputation of this persons mlm business, but I would like to state that there are reputable mlm businesses out here. The problem is that sponsors are not receiving the training they need to empower and assist their downline to be successful. That is why so many fail at mlm and walk away discouraged. Sponsors must remember they are leaders and that the people they bring in are not just a dollar. When you mentor and guide your downline you all will make money, satisfy customers and not contribute to the bad rap mlm receives. |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia said: I don't know the reputation of this persons mlm business, but I would like to state that there are reputable mlm businesses out here. The problem is that sponsors are not receiving the training they need to empower and assist their downline to be successful. That is why so many fail at mlm and walk away discouraged. Sponsors must remember they are leaders and that the people they bring in are not just a dollar. When you mentor and guide your downline you all will make money, satisfy customers and not contribute to the bad rap mlm receives. You are wrong!! So many people fail at MLM's because MLM's are not legitimate businesses. Companies such as Amway, Herbalife, The Women's Dream Team (and a thousand others) are set up just to get you to buy their products and recruit others to do the same. No legitimate job requires you to buy something every month to keep your job. That's ridiculous!! People fail because they end up spending more than the measly comissions they get for signing up other people. MLM's are nothing more that slick marketing campaigns to trick you into thinking you are in business when all you are to the MLM is another customer!! Wake up . . . Check out this link to learn more about the dangers of MLM:
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Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia 6 months ago |
I hate the mlm business that require you to purchase xamount from them. I was once a victim of that type of program. I am with a company that does not have me purchase from them. I buy what I want when I want and if I don't buy anything I just don't and there are no consequences. That is one reason I deal with them because even if I love your products and your business I don't like being held hostage about what I am to do with my money monthly. I am just as angry with those companies that operate that way as you are because that is the same as having a job working under pressure vs. having your own business. So wide awake I encourage you to keep advising the masses and when they do their due deligence I am sure they will find an honest company like I did. |
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jessica21 in Houston, Texas 6 months ago |
You are so right, Also, people who are positive,strong and confident do well because they know how to ask for help |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia said: I hate the mlm business that require you to purchase xamount from them. I was once a victim of that type of program. I am with a company that does not have me purchase from them. I buy what I want when I want and if I don't buy anything I just don't and there are no consequences. That is one reason I deal with them because even if I love your products and your business I don't like being held hostage about what I am to do with my money monthly. I am just as angry with those companies that operate that way as you are because that is the same as having a job working under pressure vs. having your own business. So wide awake I encourage you to keep advising the masses and when they do their due deligence I am sure they will find an honest company like I did. So which MLM are you a part of? |
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Lyd23224 in Richmond, Virginia 6 months ago |
Mary Kay |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Calvin P in Zebulon, North Carolina said: The best opportunity I have seen so far is Syntek Global. New company, established patented product. There's an MLM sucker born every minute . . . |
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Calvin P in Zebulon, North Carolina 6 months ago |
There are a lot of suckers born every minute and some have to work hard at it. MLM is no different than anyother business model except for the way product is brought to the public. Unfortunately in all segments of marketing there are unethical people that choose to run businesses and take advantage of people and create a bad name for other ethical businesses. One company that I can think of is Enron. Another is AIG. There are plenty out there that give others a bad name. It's all about opinion. |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
Yes I agree with you and in fact.....anyone that ever reads anything will know that Donald Trump says MLM is the way to go and if he ever loses his forune , that would be his ticket back....wise up |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: Yes I agree with you and in fact.....anyone that ever reads anything will know that Donald Trump says MLM is the way to go and if he ever loses his forune , that would be his ticket back....wise up Wow, that was stupid. So you're saying that if Donald Trump lost his fortune that would start selling Amway or become an Herbalife rep?? LOL!! I think you need to wise up. What he means is that he would start an MLM because he knows there are a million suckers out there just waiting to throw all their money away by giving it to him. MLM's are nothing but programs designed to get your money by tricking you into thinking you are in business when ALL you are is another CUSTOMER . . . |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Calvin P in Zebulon, North Carolina said: There are a lot of suckers born every minute and some have to work hard at it. MLM is no different than anyother business model except for the way product is brought to the public. Unfortunately in all segments of marketing there are unethical people that choose to run businesses and take advantage of people and create a bad name for other ethical businesses. One company that I can think of is Enron. Another is AIG. There are plenty out there that give others a bad name. It's all about opinion. And another stupid remark: "MLM is no different than any other business model except for the way product is brought to the public." It's not different only to those at the top of the MLM pyramid. Everyone else, including you Calvin, is just another customer. They make you think that you're in business by calling you a Rep or whatever. I visited the website you posted. This is just another scheme to get you to buy their product (in this case, a fuel additive). So how much are you required to purchase every month? $100? $200? Or more? I've said this so many times but what legitimate job demands that you make purchases every month? The answer is NONE! Don't you get it? Probably not but go ahead throw your money away. It is a free country after all . . . |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
You are the one who is very stupid....did I say anything about Amway or anything like that? You have alot to learn...why don't you learn before you speak. I have been sitting back reading the crazy things you and your buddies have been saying to these MLM folks. It is really sad for you don't know what you are talking about so get the facts!!!! I don't work with a MLM company but there is nothing wrong with them if you pick the right ones. Just because you don't have what it takes to be successful and you are probably one that complains and don't won't to get out there and make something of yourself....don't put down the folks that want to work and make somthing of themselves. I knew you'd have someting ugly to say and to tell you the truth...that's why I said what I did to get your crazy reaction....jokes on you!!!! |
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jessica21 in Houston, Texas 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: You are the one who is very stupid....did I say anything about Amway or anything like that? You have alot to learn...why don't you learn before you speak. I have been sitting back reading the crazy things you and your buddies have been saying to these MLM folks. It is really sad for you don't know what you are talking about so get the facts!!!! I don't work with a MLM company but there is nothing wrong with them if you pick the right ones. Just because you don't have what it takes to be successful and you are probably one that complains and don't won't to get out there and make something of yourself....don't put down the folks that want to work and make somthing of themselves. I knew you'd have someting ugly to say and to tell you the truth...that's why I said what I did to get your crazy reaction....jokes on you!!!! WELL SAID!!!! |
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jessica21 in Houston, Texas 6 months ago |
WELL SAID |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: You are the one who is very stupid....did I say anything about Amway or anything like that? You have alot to learn...why don't you learn before you speak. I have been sitting back reading the crazy things you and your buddies have been saying to these MLM folks. It is really sad for you don't know what you are talking about so get the facts!!!! I don't work with a MLM company but there is nothing wrong with them if you pick the right ones. Just because you don't have what it takes to be successful and you are probably one that complains and don't won't to get out there and make something of yourself....don't put down the folks that want to work and make somthing of themselves. I knew you'd have someting ugly to say and to tell you the truth...that's why I said what I did to get your crazy reaction....jokes on you!!!! Gee, is that your best comeback?: "You are very stupid." Anyway, I realize you didn't say Amway of Herbalife. I was just giving you an example Einstein. You're the one who said Donald Trump said MLM's are the way he'd go if he lost his fortune. So you really think he'd join an MLM (any MLM) if he lost his fortune? There, is that better? I'm sure you're not understanding any of this so I'll try to use small words. MLM's are evil! By the way, you say I shouldn' talk about things when I don't have all the facts? Well, you said yourself that you don't work with MLM's so why don't you try taking your own advice? You should actually think about joining and MLM. They like people like you who don't have the intellect to know that MLM's are scams . . . |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
jessica21 in Houston, Texas said: LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT!!!!! MLM"S ARE as well..... And yet another MLM ripoff!! |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
jessica21 in Houston, Texas said: WELL SAID Gee, thanks for the input . . . now go home. |
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jessica21 in Houston, Texas 6 months ago |
Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: And yet another MLM ripoff!! Doesn.t look like you have taken the time to research it.... |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
jessica21 in Houston, Texas said: Doesn.t look like you have taken the time to research it.... I went to the website. It's an MLM and therefore it's a ripoff. |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: Yes I agree with you and in fact.....anyone that ever reads anything will know that Donald Trump says MLM is the way to go and if he ever loses his forune , that would be his ticket back....wise up I went and checked out your "Yes to Success" website Patricia. Talk about your classic MLM Cult scam. Let me guess, you've partnered with Melalueca or some other MLM company to sell their worthless products? This was one of the cheesier websites I've seen. They tell you practically nothing about the company and what you'll be doing. I'm sure you have to purchase a certain amount of products per month and are required to recruit your friends and family though, right? |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
Yes you go girl!!!!! That is great and don't let these folks out here get you down for apparently that is all they have to do in life is try to beat others down!!! God Bless!!! |
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jessica21 in Houston, Texas 6 months ago |
WELL SAID!!! YES |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
Oh thanks so much for your comments......you are so wrong.....nope haven't recurited the first family member except for my sister. She doesn't work te business but she is soooooo sick with Fibromyalgia/Lupus or something that they can't find out and we are very concern for her. She is taking our vitality package in hope oif helping her. she is getting sicker by the day and she is one of those folks who can't take the prescription drugs becuase they make her so sick she can not funtion. She does have a high powered job and has to be there!!! It is frightening for all of us. So far, some of our stuff makes her feel a little sick but not as much. We are now trying to delete the pills in the package to see which vitamin it might be??? So there, I didn't say it is curing her but I do know of fiolks tat it has. In fact, I have a good friend who has spent out thousands and by doctors saying she would be crippled for the rest of her like and finally found Melaleuca and she is cured and working the business and helping others. If this a cult or a scam, then someone (oh my goodness!!) needs to tell these poor folks so they can go back feeling bad all the time and oh yes....someone needs to tell the company!!! Oh my....they've only been in business for almost 25 years and debt free but they might be a scam or cult....oh NOOOOOOOO!!!! You are soooooo smart. And....yes I have done many things but this is the first thing I made money with right out the gate and guess what??? No Family Memebers!!!!!!! Oh yes....no matter what..I Make MOney so come on scam and cult!! What do you get for all your time putting people down???? DuH??????????!!!! |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: ...nope haven't recurited the first family member except for my sister. She is taking our vitality package in hope oif helping her. So far, some of our stuff makes her feel a little sick but not as much. We are now trying to delete the pills in the package to see which vitamin it might be??? Wow, so you admit that the product you are giving your sister is making her sick? And you're trying to help by eliminating certain pills to see which one it is? Do you not see how sad that is?? If you'd just stop giving her the product altogether, she'd be better right? But no, you are having her continue to take this junk product while you experiment with her well-being. Wow, it really sounds like you care for her. I think you are the sick one!! Oh, and I like how you say you haven't recruited ANY family members . . . except for your sister?? Boy, you are a smart one aren't you? By the way, Melalueca is one of the best known rip-offs out there. If you'd do any research you'd know that. Here's some info for you on the dangers of MLM's like Melalueca:
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
We laughed out loud when we read what you had to say. Apparently YOU don't know how to read!!!! My sister is a family member and she is the only family memeber in the business and she can not take prescription drugs and she CAN take ours and they ARE helping her.....Man ..you really are a sad person...don't you have anything else better to do??? Get a life poor soul |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
So I can't read, huh? That's funny, because I was quoting your words exactly. Here they are again in case you forgot: "burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: ...nope haven't recurited the first family member except for my sister. She is taking our vitality package in hope oif helping her. So far, some of our stuff makes her feel a little sick but not as much. We are now trying to delete the pills in the package to see which vitamin it might be???" So which part did I misunderstand? The part where you said you haven't recruited a family member except for your sister? Or the part where you said some of our stuff is making her feel a little sick? Please show me. These are YOUR words. How can yo be so ignorant as to not be able to understand your own writing? |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
Man you really get off on this ...don't you??? You are very comical!! You are the ..... no I am not going to call you names for I am sure you KNOW what you are....I won't go there!! Of course she is my sister and family and thanks to Melaleuca, we have found the right combinations. You really have a bad problem.... Why does this bother you so? You don't like others to feel well or get ahead. All You folks out there trying to work from home....you go!! Many of them work and some don't but don't let people like this get you down.....they thrive on it!! Go ahead and send some more for we all are really getting a kick out of you!! There has always been folks like you out on this site that have nothing else to do except sit around and critcize others. I have a life and I suggest you get one too. I have things to do....apprently unlike you!! I'm ignorant? Thanks becuase I am so ignorant to want to help others and thankfully was able to help my sister get better....If that is ignorant...so be it....I can take it...God Bless |
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Bonstance in Jacksonville, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: Man you really get off on this ...don't you??? You are very comical!! You are the ..... no I am not going to call you names for I am sure you KNOW what you are....I won't go there!! Of course she is my sister and family and thanks to Melaleuca, we have found the right combinations. You really have a bad problem.... Why does this bother you so? You don't like others to feel well or get ahead. All You folks out there trying to work from home....you go!! Many of them work and some don't but don't let people like this get you down.....they thrive on it!! Go ahead and send some more for we all are really getting a kick out of you!! There has always been folks like you out on this site that have nothing else to do except sit around and critcize others. I have a life and I suggest you get one too. I have things to do....apprently unlike you!! I'm ignorant? Thanks becuase I am so ignorant to want to help others and thankfully was able to help my sister get better....If that is ignorant...so be it....I can take it...God Bless I agree with you that Bosco doesn't have anything else better to do. People like that just want to speak badly about things they really know nothing about. Maybe instead of being rude to everyone on this site, that person might try to do a little research on these companies. Not all companies are scams. Matter of fact I work for two which are very successful. The last thing I will say in this post is that Bosco really is an unhappy person and I would assume not successful. Sounds like a miserable person with nothing else to do. All the people who are on this are just trying to provide information and give people an opportunity to check it out for themselves. It's about helping people and not being rude like Bosco. That's all I wanted to say and I am through with this post because I do have better things to do and this is very negative. Stay positive Burrsgirl and move on from this! |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
I think its funny that anytime someone gets defensive, they assume that the person making comments is angry or unhappy or a failure or whatever. I guess that makes you feel better . . . but it sounds a lot like Scientology: "let's shift the blame to take the spotlight off us." Anyway, things are great for me. I have a great job, a loving family and live in a nice area. I'm not angry or bitter at all. I just don't like how MLM's are portrayed as legitimate business opportunities when they are NOT! Hey, if the products are working for you then great. I just think it's interesting how burrsgirl has not responded to her comment about the Melalueca product making her sister sick. She's the one who wrote it, not me! |
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burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina 6 months ago |
Man you can't read!!!!!!!!! I NEVER said Mealeuca products were making her sick?? She has been sick for 3 years and just in the last month started taking Melaleuca products??? where in the world did you come up with that?? She has been seeing which one of those products helps her and which doesn't . Everything isn't for everyone..you have to see what is good for you. You have your opionion and I am glad you have this site to hurt others just keep doing what you do because it is apparent you do not have a life...I feel very sorry for idoits like you.....I do not have time for the likes of you....good bye |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: Man you can't read!!!!!!!!! I NEVER said Mealeuca products were making her sick?? She has been sick for 3 years and just in the last month started taking Melaleuca products??? where in the world did you come up with that?? She has been seeing which one of those products helps her and which doesn't . Everything isn't for everyone..you have to see what is good for you. You have your opionion and I am glad you have this site to hurt others just keep doing what you do because it is apparent you do not have a life...I feel very sorry for idoits like you.....I do not have time for the likes of you....good bye Okay, let me re-post your EXACT words one more time. Keep in mind that I am cutting and pasting your EXACT words. I am not making this up. I am quoting YOU. Here are YOUR words: Burrsgirl said: "She is taking our vitality package in hope oif helping her. So far, some of our stuff makes her feel a little sick but not as much. We are now trying to delete the pills in the package to see which vitamin it might be???" Please re-read your post and tell me what you see. I understand that if you can't type very well and made a mistake, then fine. But if you read your EXACT words, you'll see what I'm talking about. I'm sure you still won't get it. You are the perfect type of person for the Melalueca scam. A bit on the slow side . . . |
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RJ in Chicago 6 months ago |
I usually do not write on Blog sites very often, but I came across these conversations from you all about MLM's by "chance" tonight. The reason I was surfing on the web about it is because so many of my friends have gotten involved in one or more MLM's in the last few years. All of these friends are people I respect, and I consider them relatively smart people. (My actual search inquiry tonight with google, was: "why do smart people get involved in Multi Level Marketing?"
Let me be clear: I am NOT a believer in networking marketing and I pride myself for not EVER belonging to one. (Although, I have regretfully been roped into going to a few "HIGH FIVING/JUMPING JACK" motivational recruitment type of crazy meetings a few times) With my first exposure to MLM's, as a potential customer of the product, I never understood why I would ever need a specific "rep" or channel to buy that product. I thought to myself, "If I had to have an individual "rep" for every product in life, I would spend every moment of every day reordering my supplies". What a waste of time! When I need more shampoo, I go to the store. When I need legal help, I call a good lawyer who's been checked out. When I want quality nutrition supplements, I buy them at my health club. Sweet Mary, Mother of Jesus, I don't need any more sales people in my life, starring me in the wallet and calling me to buy more! Something was amiss with this business model. Then I understood early in the game, that this is not about the products. I was being sold a concept; a way of life. I went to buy a bottle of NuSkin, then I was being asked to spend all my free hours recruiting others. These reps were really trying to explain the company, and wanting me to get involved by impressing on how much money could be made if I sold them too AND (MORE IMPORTANTLY) got others to follow me. cont |
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RJ in Chicago 6 months ago |
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Bonstance in Jacksonville, Florida 6 months ago |
If you want to email me directly, then I will discuss with you. This site has one negative person who has not been nice to people, therefore, I choose not to have conversations so that person can not participate. We are all here to help each other and give advice as to what we know and hopefully it helps someone along the way. |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Bonstance in Jacksonville, Florida said: If you want to email me directly, then I will discuss with you. This site has one negative person who has not been nice to people, therefore, I choose not to have conversations so that person can not participate. We are all here to help each other and give advice as to what we know and hopefully it helps someone along the way. I am helping people . . . by letting them know that MLM's are evil! They are designed to drain away all your money by tricking you people into thinking you are running some kind of business when all you really are is a CUSTOMER!! |
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RJ in Chicago 6 months ago |
enough said.... and ooops.... I meant to say "The Poisidon Adventure"....not the Titanic.... my bad..! ~~~ lol ~~~ rj |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
Here's some recent information on Amway (Quixtar) and the dangers of MLM's: "Using Quixtar’s own payout data a report published by Pyramid Scheme Alert has shown that 99% of all Quixtar recruits never earn any profit. In the report, “The Myth of MLM Income Opportunity,” the 99% loss rate was shown to be caused by the pyramid recruitment model and the lack of retail sales, not the “failure” of the recruits." |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
burrsgirl in Columbia, South Carolina said: Man you can't read!!!!!!!!! I NEVER said Mealeuca products were making her sick?? She has been sick for 3 years and just in the last month started taking Melaleuca products??? where in the world did you come up with that?? She has been seeing which one of those products helps her and which doesn't . Everything isn't for everyone..you have to see what is good for you. You have your opionion and I am glad you have this site to hurt others just keep doing what you do because it is apparent you do not have a life...I feel very sorry for idoits like you.....I do not have time for the likes of you....good bye Here's another link to a website containing an article on the 11 worst MLM's out there:
Heu burrsgirl - notice how Melalueca is #5 . . . yeah, this is a great company. What a joke! |
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RJ in Chicago 6 months ago |
most telling is this part of the article. I hate to see people send their hard earned cash to these MLM slick shiesters who prey upon the new people at the bottom..... "The report concludes that the MLM "industry" is a significant contributor to the widening income and wealth gap in America and elsewhere. The business model and business practices of most multi-level marketing companies cause the financial losses, not normal competitive factors or the levels of efforts or talents of the participants." "Less than one in one-thousand will be shown to have gained any profit at all. The so-called successes in MLM are in the same small group positioned, year after year, at the top of the recruitment organization." I have family members who are officers with the I.R.S. They tell me that based on these statistics, if people use profit and loss statements to reduce these tax liabilites using an MLM, they are only flagging their statements for "review". Remember people. The IRS can go back seven years. Between the Multi Level Marketing schemes out there, and the credit card companies, we will become a nation of Beggars sooner rather than later..... Education is the surest way to wealth, folks. Stop being so ignorant. The world is catching up to us. |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
And yet more damaging statistics on mlm's: The odds of winning with a roll of snake eyes in a game of craps in Las Vegas** is:
The odds of winning from a single spin of the wheel in a game of roulette in Las Vegas** is:
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harlean26 in Denver, Colorado 6 months ago |
Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Okay, let me re-post your EXACT words one more time. Keep in mind that I am cutting and pasting your EXACT words. I am not making this up. I am quoting YOU. Here are YOUR words: ======Seems to me like you silenced burrsgirl. |
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Bosco in Orlando, Florida 6 months ago |
harlean26 in Denver, Colorado said: ======Seems to me like you silenced burrsgirl. Yeah, I think she finally realized that she looked pretty stupid with her comments . . . I'm sure she'll be back though . . . |
